About this episode
Today's guest: Julie Zhuo, Former VP of Product Design at Facebook, Wall Street Journal bestselling author of "The Making of a Manager," and now AI product leader at Sundial"Is the product designer role going to exist in 10 years? Is the product manager role going to exist in 10 years?"That's Julie Zhuo asking the existential questions every product leader is thinking but afraid to voice.Julie spent 13 years at Facebook, starting as an IC designer and rising to VP of Product Design. She wrote the Wall Street Journal bestseller "The Making of a Manager." Today, she's building AI products at Sundial and working with companies like OpenAI.In our conversation, she breaks down:* How AI is killing traditional product roles* The timeless management principles that still matter* What makes a great AI product leader* How to build product taste when AI gets better than youThis isn't just about adapting to new tools. It's about reimagining what product development looks like when one person can do what used to take a whole team.----Check out the conversation on Apple, Spotify and YouTube.Mobbin: Discover real-world design inspirationJira Product Discovery: Build the right thing, reliablyProduct Faculty: Product Strategic Certificate for Leaders (Get $550 off)The AI Evals Course for PMs & Engineers: You get $800 with this link----Timestamps00:00 Intro02:30 The Death of Product Development08:42 Learn The Craft15:02 ADS17:00 Definition of a Managers's Job21:12 Julie's Thoughts on AI Agents28:12 Blindspots While switching from IC to Manger30:40 ADS35:48 The Three Levers That Never Change41:20 What is Feedback46:43 How AI is Changing the Domain52:49 What Makes Great AI Product Leaders Different1:00:55 Essential AI Tools Every Leader Should Master1:09:15 Lessons from OpenAI's Product Team1:15:55 Outro----Key Takeaways1. Stop Thinking in Roles, Start Thinking Skills. The future belongs to builders who combine un
