About this episode
I’m opposed to this war. The Trump administration did not consult the American public or try to persuade Congress before authorizing the strikes on Iran. I don’t think the administration is prepared for what the strikes might unleash.
But I wanted to try to understand President Trump’s decisions from the perspective of somebody much friendlier to his foreign policy. Nadia Schadlow is a senior fellow at the Hudson Institute and served as a deputy national security adviser during Trump’s first term. She led the drafting and publication of the 2017 National Security Strategy of the United States.
In this conversation, Schadlow gives the conservative case for war with Iran, and for attacking without first building support in Congress or with the public. And I ask her how she squares Trump the candidate, who ran on a promise of not starting new wars, with the Trump of today, who’s deposed two heads of state since the start of 2026, and now says he won’t rule out boots on the ground in Iran. Is there a consistent worldview here? Or did Trump change?
Mentioned:
“National Security Strategy of the United States of America”
War and the Art of Governance by Nadia Schadlow
“The Globalist Delusion” by Nadia Schadlow
“The Great Lie of War” with Ben Rhodes on “The Ezra Klein Show”
Book Recommendations:
America in the World by Robert B. Zoellick
The Mystery of Capital by Hernando De Soto
The Peacemaker by William Inboden
Demon Copperhead
