About this episode
This may be the ultimate systems thinking interview. Beyond building science at the site scale, this is systems thinking to save the world. Gail Vittori and Pliny Fisk III have their fingerprints all over the structural ideologies for ways of thinking that underlie what we now think of as the fields of sustainability, greenbuilding, indoor health and well-being and more. Enjoy this thoughtful unpacking of ideas that span from systems thinking at the scale of the planet to human society to industry, products and materials. If you’re not familiar with Pliny Fisk III and Gaily Vittori, Max’s Pot, the Center for Maximum Potential Building Systems, or the Global Dreamlab, it’s about damn time that you are. Buckle up and enjoy this wild and fascinating ride with two of the brightest early lights in environmental sustainability in the AEC and beyond.Pliny Fisk IIIPliny Fisk III is a pivotal figure in the sustainability movement, whose career in architecture, landscape architecture, and the systems sciences spans more than four decades. He has dedicated his career to developing replicable prototypes, protocols, and policy initiatives that challenge conventional wisdom in building design, engineering, materials, and planning. His seminal life cycle-based protocols helped shape the first green building programs, and he collaborated on federal efforts like the Greening of the White House and the Greening of the Grand Canyon. He is also an inventor and the CEO and founder of two technology companies, Sustainable Earth Technologies and the EcoInventorium.Pliny’s influence extends into academia and policy, having held faculty positions at several major universities and served as an advisor to foundations like MacArthur and Gates. His policy initiatives include the Austin Green Building Program and the AIA’s Environmental Resource Guide, establishing new protocols with broad implementation. His impact has earned him numerous honors, including The Lewis Mumford Award and the U.S. Green Building Council’s Sacred Tree Award. Pliny has been recognized by Metropolis Magazine as a Visionary and by Texas Monthly as one of “35 People Who Will Shape Our Future.”Gail VittoriGail Vittori leads a life of discovery, of adventure, of collaborating with incredible people a
