About this episode
Kev and Jeppe, discuss the cold weather in Denmark and Sweden compared to Hawaii. They highlight that "Svelte Radio" has ranked number 13 (effectively number 12) in the podcast section of the State of JS 2025 survey, placing them among the "mainstream" podcasts and slightly increasing the pressure to produce relevant content.State of JS: FrameworksThe hosts analyze the survey results for JavaScript frameworks:Svelte: Usage increased slightly to 27% (up from 26%). It maintains the highest interest rating for the sixth consecutive year, though interest is slightly declining—a trend seen across most frameworks. Satisfaction remains high at number two (86%), just behind Solid.React: Continues to dominate with 70 million weekly downloads, but interest and satisfaction are declining. The hosts discuss the complexity of React Server Components (RSC) and the risks of framework developers losing touch with practical usage ("dogfooding").Solid: Rising in interest and taking the number one spot for satisfaction.HTMX: Saw a significant drop in interest, described as a "meme" that has cooled down.Web Components: Chatter is growing (e.g., Lit), but usage remains relatively low compared to the push from DevRel teams.State of JS: Meta-FrameworksNext.js: Leads usage significantly at 59% but has low satisfaction, barely beating out Gatsby.Astro: Growing rapidly (27% usage) and ranked number one in satisfaction. Its strength lies in supporting multiple frameworks (React, Vue, Svelte).SvelteKit: Ranked number two in satisfaction. Interest is declining, likely due to the framework maturing.TanStack Start: Noted as a popular write-in option and a strong new alternative to Next.js.Analog: Mentioned as an Angular meta-framework powered by Vite.Libraries & Developer ToolsThe hosts discuss various libraries and tools featured in the survey:Validation: Zod is the most used, but Valibot is recommended as a smaller, tree-shakable alternative. Both libraries support the new "Standard Schema" initiative.Linting: Oxlint is highlighted as a much faster, Rust-based alternative to ESLint.Package Management: The tool ni is recommended for running package manager commands (install, run scripts) agnostically without needing to remember if a project uses npm, yarn, or pnpm.Date Libraries: Day.js, date-fns, and Luxon remain popular. The hosts anticipate the upcoming JavaScript Temporal API may eventually replace these.jQuery: A new version was released that drops Internet Explorer 11 support and migrates to ES modules.Picks & Actionable ItemsThe hosts conclude with their picks for the week:Kev's Pick: The TV show "A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms" (Game of Thrones universe).Jeppes's
