About this episode
Stacey Richter is joined by Mark Cuban, CEO and founder of Mark Cuban Cost Plus Drugs, and Cora Opsahl, Health Fund Director of the 32BJ Health Fund, to discuss pressing issues in American healthcare. The conversation centers on the inefficiencies and complexities created by high deductible health plans and the layers of vendors self-insured employers hire to manage healthcare claims. Mark Cuban and Cora Opsahl advocate for direct contracting and increased transparency as solutions to reduce costs and improve outcomes. They also explore the potential of simplifying the system back to a more straightforward model where healthcare prices are transparent, and patients and providers can establish trust. This episode emphasizes the importance of leadership and a proactive approach in managing healthcare costs. If you are listening to this prior to October 9, 2025, go to the 32BJ Changing the Playbook on Hospital Prices event, where Mark Cuban will be keynoting. Cora Opsahl will also be speaking, and I will be there listening. https://32bjhealthinsights.org/2025-events/ === LINKS === ? Show Notes with all mentioned links: https://cc-lnk.com/EP488 ? Healthcare Industry Acronyms and Terms https://relentlesshealthvalue.com/healthcare-acronymns ?? Enjoy this podcast? Subscribe to the free weekly newsletter: https://relentlesshealthvalue.com/join-the-relentless-tribe ? Support the podcast with a small donation to the Tip Jar: https://relentlesshealthvalue.com/join-the-relentless-tribe ? Listen on Apple Podcasts https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/feed/id892082003?ls=1 ? Listen on Spotify https://open.spotify.com/show/6UjgzI7bScDrWvZEk2f46b ? Subscribe to our YouTube channel https://www.youtube.com/@RelentlessHealthValue === CONNECT WITH THE RHV TEAM === ? LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/company/relentless-health-value/ ? Threads https://www.threads.net/@relentlesshealthvalue/ ? Bluesky https://bsky.app/profile/relentleshealth.bsky.social ? X https://twitter.com/relentleshealth/ 06:25 What was the original rationale behind high deductibles? 07:38 How high deductibles are creating a class of functionally uninsured people. 09:29 EP482 with Preston Alexander. 10:20 "We're using health insurance as a proxy for healthcare." —Mark 12:30 How providers are now in the debt collecting business rather than the healthcare business. 12:55
