Breaking Down the 2025 Dietary Guidelines with Dr. David Ludwig & Gary Taubes
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Breaking Down the 2025 Dietary Guidelines with Dr. David Ludwig & Gary Taubes

42:13 Feb 2, 2026
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The 2025-2030 Dietary Guidelines for Americans have arrived, and they’re sparking serious debate. Are we finally seeing a meaningful shift toward metabolic health? What do the guidelines get right, and where is there still room for improvement?To unpack it all, Dr. Bret Scher is joined by two long-time voices in nutrition science: Dr. David Ludwig and Gary Taubes. Together, they dig into what the new guidelines get right, what they overlook, and what this all means for public health, clinical practice, and the food industry.They explore:The shifting stance on animal protein, and the controversy it’s stirredA long-overdue move away from refined carbohydratesWhy the term “ultra-processed food” was intentionally left outThe important nod to low-carb diets for chronic diseaseHow school lunches and government food programs may (or may not) changeThe tension between dietary health and environmental goalsWhy robust clinical trials, not just policy documents, are urgently neededThis lively discussion blends agreement, disagreement, and deep insights into what these guidelines mean, not just on paper, but in real life. Whether you're a clinician, policymaker, parent, or just trying to eat healthier, this episode will help you rethink the “official” nutrition narrative.👉 Subscribe to Metabolic Mind for more conversations covering metabolic health, nutrition, food as medicine, and more.#MetabolicMind #FoodAsMedicine #DietaryGuidelines👉Do you have a question about ketogenic therapy or metabolic psychiatry? Submit your question to our team here: metabolicmind.org/questionsExpert Featured:Gary Taubestaubes@gmail.comhttps://x.com/garytaubesDr. David LudwigDavid.Ludwig@childrens.harvard.edu
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