The Art of Leading Complicated People (Including Yourself) with Ryan Leak

The Art of Leading Complicated People (Including Yourself) with Ryan Leak

49:23 May 21, 2025
About this episode
In life and in leadership, you'll meet complicated people. How do you work with them? Do you change them? Challenge them? Ignore them? Or is there a better way to approach them? In today's episode, Mark Cole and Jared Cagle are joined by Ryan Leak for a special look at his new book, How to Work with Complicated People! Key takeaways: Focus on influencing and serving your people rather than controlling them. On the other side of each and every one of us is complexity. The best leaders humbly examine themselves first. Our BONUS resource for this episode is the The Art of Leading Complicated People (Including Yourself) with Ryan Leak Worksheet, which includes fill-in-the-blank notes from John's teaching. You can download the worksheet by visiting
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