About this episode
My second conversation with Mike Levin, the developmental biologist from Tufts University, where we explore his ontology, the structure of the world. Are we biological interfaces to Platonic minds, or bodies and minds co-create or realize each other? Is ChatGPT conscious? Are machines more organismic than we thought? How should we get ready to communicate with minds who are very different from us?Related episodes:Mark Solms: Mark Solms: https://youtu.be/Rltfm-vWvgMKevin Mitchell: https://youtu.be/nqxq-BiCr-MMichael Levin: https://youtu.be/0nMXYdayQIUEmbodied AI: https://youtu.be/JZ8GTucClpMAlexander Ororbia: https://youtu.be/N83vBfz7_BIYogi Jaeger: https://youtu.be/5UJ4y2L2qpkBaudouin Saintyves: https://youtu.be/NmvzEpz9R84Laura Desiree Di Paolo: https://youtu.be/9txUwVtAOBkAnna Riedl: https://youtu.be/w2ZiSWZNQsgAnna Ciaunica: https://youtu.be/x1QHwhlCn-8Giuseppe Paolo: https://youtu.be/R7tEd65e2i800:00:00 Intro00:02:22 Mike's Platonic turn. Patterns are calling the shots. Prime numbers and cicadas. Anthrobots. Let's study the structure of emergence.00:14:55 Why not the Platonic and the "real" (Bard calls it pathic) realize each other rather than one creating the other? Towards more Darwinian forms? The engineering view: who controls what.00:21:15 Do patterns have agency? Do they feel? Patterns are agents. Lot of "free" computation is happening in the Platonic space.00:27:44 Can Platonic patterns die? Some patterns can survive the death of their physical instantiation. What is the ultimate drive if not persistence/survival? Similarity to Pageau's fractal ontology.00:36:26 Is ChatGPT conscious? If they are, it's not because they talk but because they might have intrinsic motivation. It's not that we are machines, rather machines are also organismic. The free spurious modes in the structure space: the mystery of bubble sort and other structuralist arguments. The organicist argument of integration of the nested agents. Computer levels are separated, organismic layers are integrated.00:52:49 How did your views changed your life? The urgency to communicate to minds that are very different from us.I, scientist blog: https://balazskegl.substack.comTwitter: https://twitter.com/balazskeglArtwork: DALL-EMusic: Bea Palya https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBDp3qcFZdU1yoWIRpMSaZw Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
