No Treason Podcast Ep. 22: Is Natural Law Certain? Spooner’s Case for Jury Power
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No Treason Podcast Ep. 22: Is Natural Law Certain? Spooner’s Case for Jury Power

58:56 Mar 9, 2026
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In Episode 22 of the No Treason Podcast, Jonathan Drake continues his exploration of Lysander Spooner’s Trial by Jury, tackling the fifth and most commonly cited objection to jury power: the claim that if juries judge the law, the law itself becomes uncertain. Drake walks through Spooner’s rebuttal step by step, contrasting the supposed certainty of statutory law with the reality of an ever-changing maze of legislation, precedent, and judicial interpretation. The discussion centers on the difference between natural law and fiat law, arguing that the principles of justice understood by ordinary people provide far more stability than a system dominated by lawyers, statutes, and shifting court rulings. Drake explains how natural law forms the interpretive foundation for all written law and why removing that foundation has created the labyrinthine legal system people fear today. Along the way, he examines how representative government contributed to the centralization of power and the erosion of true jury authority. The episode ultimately argues that restoring trial by jury as the final arbiter of law would decentralize power, protect individual rights, and return the enforcement of justice to the people themselves.
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