About this episode
Welcome back to the Alt Goes Mainstream podcast.Today’s episode was filmed live at an event during a Brookfield Oaktree Wealth Solutions RIA Council meeting in New York.Armen Panossian, the Co-CEO and Head of Performing Credit at Oaktree, and I sat down for a conversation in a Brookfield-owned building with a group of RIAs in the audience.Armen, who joined Oaktree in 2007, has been an integral part of scaling Oaktree to over $209B in AUM. Oaktree, a storied firm, particularly in distressed credit, was recently fully acquired by Brookfield, the $1T AUM alternative asset manager.Armen has a wealth of experience across different areas of credit. He is the Head of Performing Credit, where his responsibilities include oversight of the firm’s liquid and private credit strategies and as a portfolio manager within the Global Private Debt and Global Credit strategies. He also led the development of Oaktree’s CLO business.Armen and I had a fascinating and thought-provoking conversation. We covered:The evolution of Oaktree’s business.How the acquisition by Brookfield has helped scale Oaktree’s business.Why private credit is more than direct lending.The nuances of asset-based finance.The current state of the credit markets.How Oaktree has approached distressed credit investing.What Armen’s memo would be if he were to write a memo like his colleague Howard Marks. And, why his memo might be titled “this is not your grandma’s private credit” or “don’t reach for risk to deliver the right return.”Thanks Armen and the Brookfield Oaktree Wealth Solutions team for a fantastic night and Armen for sharing your wisdom and expertise with us.Show Notes00:00 Message from Ultimus, our Sponsor01:59 Welcome to the Alt Goes Mainstream Podcast04:02 Armen Panossian’s Background04:22 Early Career and Education05:42 Transition to Finance08:04 Joining Oaktree08:25 Oaktree's Early Days09:25 Investment Philosophy and Growth12:05 Balancing Pessimism and Business Building14:49 Private Credit Market Overview15:45 Core vs. Alpha in Private Credit20:06 Public vs. Private Credit21:39 Technicals and Fundamentals in Credit Markets24:17 Valuation and Risk Management25:22 Consumer Impact on Private Credit25:46 Public Markets as Indicators26:38 Oaktree's Historical Success26:48 Howard Marks' Investment Philosop
